They say you never forget the place and I agree. Please Login or Register. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Ganges training establishment. contact the editor here. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. GANGES was the shore training establishment for boy entrants into the Royal Navy from 1905 until 1976. He was quite good too. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. A Gannett Company. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. Shotly Jan 7 1967 , 4 weeks in the annex, 11months in the main establishment,left the RN after 26 years, as C.C.MEA(P) and you could tell Ganges trained men a mile off, Regrets not a bit.Sorry for the lad in my class that drank a pint of pussers disinfectant (The black stuff that turned white when you added water) I believe he got his Discharge. Welcome Guest. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. Statistics for the 1930s indicate some 200 official canings per year in HMS Ganges alone, an average of four per week. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. . The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. He was sentenced at Portsmouth Crown Court. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. Photos showing the rusting mast at the former site of HMS Ganges at Shotley peninsula have been released on social media, prompting concerns that the 142ft high structure is not being properly. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. STANDING on a wooden disc about a foot in diameter, and saluting, does not sound too much of a challenge, unless it is 143feet above the ground and you only have a lightning conductor to grip between your knees. Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. George Douglas Blake HMS Warspite. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. David Colwill. Im quite sure few if any boys receiving cuts ever thought to run away again. Richard Dunn. Review of a book of anecdotes about legendary UK boys' naval establishment HMS Ganges, which at any one time housed as many as 2,000 trainee sailors in their middle teens. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. Engineer commander had been on Amethyst up the Yangtse and was quite sympathetic when he was OOD. 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The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. "I remember another of the Ganges boys, they were talking to a visitor at the museum, and she said 'it was quite brutal, wasn't it? HMS GANGES 6th May 2009 - YouTube. "A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. Now i know why! The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. HMS Ganges - part of front gate Having completed the New Entry training over at the Annex (I think it took six weeks), we then marched over to Drake 39 mess over in the Main Establishment. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. I had already taught myself to swim. Each of us was required to construct a printing block using letters carved in wood. Jon Sparks. in the RN with the nickname Doc. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. I was ordered to report for my test one evening after supper. There was one hell to come, the Ganges mast! It was hard, often . what an incredible article, thanks for that dave, how far did you get up that mast? A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. Within ten minutes, a second pair of gates appeared, the gates of the real HMS Ganges. Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Report . Some boys failed the initial inspection which only lengthen their time in the freezing conditions. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. 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It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. LEADING SEAMAN Served from 1961 - 1970 Served in HMS Ganges. Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. HMS GANGES MUSEUM. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! Nevertheless, as bad and as cruel as I have describe Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges Boy. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. A Gannett Company. Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. Initially, training continued to be carried out on the vessel, but after the completion of a shore-based facility at Shotley, the ship was sent to be broken up. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. 2023 BBC. Were you at HMS Ganges? It began snowing on Boxing Day. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. . While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. After initial training we were marched from the training camp. Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. (LogOut/ Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. JavaScript is disabled. He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. and I got seven days 9s. First time ever looking at any RN sights. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. Tangible progress to transform a former Suffolk naval training base into nearly 300 homes, a sports park, shops and a GP surgery could be seen once the coronavirus lockdown is over. I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. Thanks again, D. R. WALTON the only O.E.M. Ronald Carr. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. 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