Hi Eddie. The only cable arrangement I had to change after installing the PID was switching those cables in the back, the one on the top I had to put in the bottom, and the one on the bottom in the top, otherwise the PID would stay on when the machine was off, and off when the machine was on. It shows that neutral cables coming from thermostats are connecting each other under the steam switch but mine are connected under the main switch. Hi Joe. You can mod the XMT7100 yourself but it requires soldering on the PCB, basically removing the onboard relay and then jumpering the empty terminals. I am not surprised that the steam kit made little difference. Neutral is the return path for the hot or load wire. I just installed the pid on my Gaggia classic Pro following your instruction guide. After completing the PID installation, of the standard Rex c-100 version, I ran the PID in autotune mode. Hi, thanks for the articely, it was great help to do the initial steps. i set an upper an lower limit on alarms. However with the new steaming alarm system, I get a decrease around 10 degrees in steaming temperature as soon as AA SSR shuts down the boiler at the temperature I set, even it turns on right away (my setting is AL:156 AH:155 degrees Celcius). The rich body and complex flavor profile of a well-made shot brings the beans to life with a depth that other brewing methods fail to achieve. Maybe Im missing something? Ive been hearing the solenoid valve click several times while on steam mode as well, and the group head releasing steam on occasions, which also make me worry in terms of the wiring, or the parts just need replacement. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). Visit store Contact. Thanks in advance. Hi Andrue. Hey Chris, Thanks. At the amperages required to control the boiler heating element, you need an SSR that has enough mass and exposed metal to be able to attach it to a heat sink. Applications The way I wired the PID leaves it powered on as long as the main power switch is on. ). All other variables aside, once you get a temperature that gives you the results you want, you will be able to get those results again, and again. Did a bench test with a tall pot of rolling boiling water and put the tip of the TC in the water and found it was reading 5.5 degrees low. In your paragraph for connecting the thermocouple, you write thermocouple connects to terminals 6 and 7. Thx, If you have a regular version that doesn't have the auto-turn-off feature, (RI9380, 120Vor 240V), you DO NOT need this piece of wire. Only needs 2 x AAA batteries. Warning! August 05, 2019, 11:46:38 PM . Possibly not the optimal position but was really easy to install and I knew Id only be getting a relative indicative temperature anyway. You can take a look at this discussion about offset in the Gaggia Classic: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. I have found this PID kit here on Ali express and I think its the same one you fitted can you please tell me if this one is good to go, they got a 3 piece option and a 4 piece option so dont know which, I think the 4 piece option is because it includes a heat sink that you dont mention, so I assume I wont be needing it, can you please advise. Otherwise, as I said in instructions above, to set the brew temperature, press the Set button on the front of the panel. Hello, The lack of consistency pre-PID is frustrating, because you can get everything else right and still be at the mercy of the temperature determined by the thermostat cycle. Pull the steam wand up and out of the Classic, and set it aside. Spent some time playing with temps and pulling a lot of shots to dial it in and am very happy with the results. Once you are able use the PID temperature readout to determine exactly what the steam cycle is, you know when to start steaming for more or less endless steam. This PID controller kit has all the features of our other listing titled "PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG", with the addition of pre-infusion and steam temperature control. 2: The add-on item option "extra wire defeating auto-off timer" is for the Gaggia Classic Pro European model (RI9480, 240V), which has the auto-turn-off timer feature. that will make it where only one SSR is needed. My only concern is the diagramm I downloaded from whole latte love shows different connections then what I have seen in my unit EN. I dont want to void my warranty. Please let us know if theres a way to show our gratitude if theres a charity or cause we can donate to for you putting this guide together. Plug in a mains-rated cable connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original switched mains cable into the piggyback. I decided that for me, its not worth worrying about. You said here that the to get an M3 thread for the boiler. great article !!!! Hi , I followed the instructions but the PID starts up with some number and it doesnt look normal , LCD just keep blinking some numbers the goes of for a few seconds the I get some numbers for half a second, itso quick I cant tell what is displaying, could I have got the power wiring wrong or if the cable are higher AWG would it causes issue? Posted by 4 years ago. Also really awesome write up. My experience, and that of others including a commenter on this article, is that I would not want to go lower than 103 on the Gaggia Classic. Theres also a M4 connected thermocouple wire on Amazon that arrived fast although it increased the whole cost compared to Bangood. The Auber pretends to add a couple of things, but functionally, they're very much the same. I grabbed some screws from my parts bin, I took whatever I could find that was the same color as my filament, and that would fit the holes and hold reasonably well. Thanks! Monitor and display the boiler temperature precisely. Or buy a machine with a built-in PID. Hi Chris or anyone who may know the answer! What you describe looks very much like the steam thermostat cycle. Which one shall we buy? Mr Shades is selling many small items (piggyback, spade, thermal paste, power cable, rubber grommet etc.) Thanks for the catch, I will correct the article. Update:This kit is compatible with the latestGaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular model (RI9380, 120V or 240V) and the European model(RI9480, 240V). https://www.vertex-qis.co.uk/Manuals/PT100_con.pdf. im trying to find out from shades why shades uses 2. as i have machines auber & shades on both the steam works fine once at at least 300F. Obviously the actual water temp will be different, but I can use this range to try and get a consistent temp when I pull a shot. I got the white plastic in one of the stock connectors a bit burned, the plastic looks brown in some areas and a bit melted. I can actually taste the sweetness for the first time. My problem is, unlike Rancilio Sylvia, heating element of Gaggia Classic Pro seems impossible to connect without cutting cables. As in, temperature was set, changed, maintained for pulling shots, as well as steam. Unfortunately, no, you cant use the factory sensor. Regulate the standby coffee water temperatureto within 1 (F or C) accuracy. Hello, there is another model without SSR built in with name 7100 instead of 7200. There are four buttons on the front: SET, run-program, up-arrow, down-arrow. I am guessing that its caused by the current draw of the boiler heater. I hope thats ok. 2. I know wiring might be different colours but is everything in the same place? (Gaggia Classic) Close. It will void your warranty, the possibility for making errors or breaking things during installation is too high, and the amount of time it takes would make it cost prohibitive. Hi Chris, Might be easier for most folks to buy an M4 screw, type K, thermocouple direct vs trying to get the probe version then another adapter. It will depend on the beans you use, and your palate. Started by Rocky47. New - Gaggia Classic Pro/2019 PID kit - 1/32DIN single display. Thanks Alex! The PID unit did not turn on using the same terminal of your machine. did the REX-100 require most of the default setting to be changed or is it similar to changing like shades PID or Auber PID. With a PID controller added to the heater control circuit, brew water temperature can be controlled to within 1 accuracy. That being said, the original brew thermostat is supposed to be 107C, so could perhaps reach even higher temperatures? The Rex c-100 reads in Celsius only, would I be able to substitute this kit with: I installed an Auber PID on my Gaggia Classic earlier this year. Is it possible, despite setting the temperature to 102 degrees Celsius as SV, to actually run GCP much hotter due to incompatibility of the PID and RTD? But follow chriss advice and be careful and you should be OK. And also use a rubber grommet to route your wires through the slots in the back of the chassis. Inside the GC, all bets are off as to wire colors, aside from green for ground, and even then, I wouldnt assume anything. I am not sure exactly what you did when you moved the wires terminating on the bottom of the power switch. MY GC does the same thing, the pump tone changes when the boiler is heating. I opted to follow my connections according to your picture, rather than that text. . Attach the solid state relay to the inside back wall of the Classic, using a small bolt and nut. Chris thank you so much. Do you think this makes difference? Check for wire that might have been too aggressively stripped, where some of the conductor might have also been cut away. Even with a perfect offset, you would also need to also take into account the temperature offset between the boiler and the portafilter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoZuYaDq5yc, Thanks Jeff, thats a great video. It was impossible to see without getting down into the wire harness. It is suitable for Gaggia Classic or other machines with a silver finish. I had to manually enable autotuning on my REX-C100 and i dont know if other values are screwed up or if its something else, since it really does seem like the boiler is getting power in bypass of whatever the PID is doing. I started with 103, and bumped it up to 105. However I now need to connect steaming and brewing circuits in parallel rather than serial because steaming circuit will not be closed unless I turn on steaming switch and supply power to steaming SSR. Consult the instructions that came with your PID to make sure. It has a blue led not red like pictured.The kit works for 115 VAC and 240VAC. However I dont know if my unit is properly calibrated and/or has a proper offset. Hi Anton. Please be sensible and install a grommet anyway! The default target temperature on the PID will almost certainly not be correct. You can get away with lighter gauge wire for the mains connection to the PID, as the PID draws very little current. The PID, RTD sensor and SSR (20 Amps) are installed on Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+. I bought the same parts as you have reccomended in the article but have run into the issue that the thermocouple is too large to fit into the adapter (theyre approx the same OD). Thank you again for taking the time to write up such a great guide. Is there an easy way to set a brewing and steam temp? Remove the cover assembly and filler funnel by unscrewing the two small screws at the rear of the top. i ordered K type and PT100 both for M4. To set the target temperature, press the 'Set' button on the front of the panel. I decided to go the do-it-yourself route, ordering the parts separately, at a fraction of the cost of the kits. Both shades and auber use the alarm 1 & 2 though with different PIDs for steam with upper limit & lower limit. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LODGP2E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1, BOX If you are in the U.S. then mains voltage is 120V, which will not kill you (unless you have a pacemaker or are standing in a bathtub) but can give you a decent shock. When I got my C100 the thermocouple was M6, i ended up buying an m4 brass bolt drilling it out, and inserting the thermo with some glue and heatshrink on it and it works like magic added some thermal paste. Im wondering if this could somehow be the outcome of a bad SSR: Im not seeing current flow between the two AC terminals of the SSR when the PID is attempting to heat the boiler to the Set Temp. The PID will show the temperature, and be somewhat confused by its inability to reach its setpoint, however the PID is bypassed in the same way when the GCP is in steam mode. Then I realized that EU models come not with a bistable rocker switch but a momentary one (so electricity flows only when you actively pushing the button). Main Output: SSR: Open circuit: 4V, Closed Circuit: 24V40mA DC 3. Greatly improved the taste and the consistency of brewed espresso shot. So this suggests that the machine is getting much hotter and I reduced the the set point to 95deg from your recommendation of 103degC. The fun of the PID is not just the great stability, but the ability to fine tune the brew temperature to your taste! Hi Nish. Leave as much of the thermal grease in place as possible. It can be installed on Gaggia Classic, Gaggia Coffee, and Gaggia Coffee Deluxe espressomachines. 100% Positive Feedback. In a nutshell, the Gaggia Classic thermostat is replaced by the combination of the the thermocouple, the PID, and the solid state relay. Heres how to install a PID on the Gaggia Classic Pro. Just leave the SSR disconnected, or dont install it at all. 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